interesting, someone who has given a lot of thought to everything he's now saying. so this is not a situation in which we have someone who has some -- some dark force has blundered through the door and we don't know how this guy got here and what he's doing here. he is someone who you would find, if you sat across the table from him, recognizable, interesting and a compelling figure. this is not -- what i'm saying is this is not a mistake. >> then, michael, that's fascinating to hear your depiction. here is a radio show from breitbart news daily in 2015 when he was talking about refugees. it doesn't sound particularly compassionate. let's listen to this. >> the only vet, if you're going to let them in, why even let them in? can't that money be used in the