professional, as amy said, kind of the liaison had the professional traditional party. ed mease, who was the true believer in the steve bannon roll and michael dever who was there for the president. the jim baker was such an unparalleled political operator who was able to pull this all together and point it in one direction. that was the first white house i covered. you worked in that administration. i think today we don't have that. there are not many jim bakers. you have the sense that all the planets are spinning into space without a sun to hold them into orbit. >> who is the most jim baker-like figure in the senior level of the white house? gary cohn. no government experience. his title was ceo at goldman sachs. well respected. tough manager on wall street. impressed trump very much with the business-like get to the bottom of it attitude.