conversation with its counterpart. that would be a violation of the logan act. what is going on here, that russia helped elect donald trump to the presidency. president obama imposed sanctions on russia for interference in the election. the beneficiaries of that interference seem to have one -- maybe flynn and others a promise of the lift og of the sanctions. that's so upsetting. it's the content of the foreign policy that's the issue here and no one should lose sight of >> it barbara, what's been the reaction of the pentagon? >> look, mike flynn is retired general. very well known to operate independently at times. i think we're just beginning to see the surface layer of this story, we don't know the fundamental answer to what