and saying, look, this is the way we see things, but our allies don't know whether they're going to be overturned or overruled by somebody at the end of the day i think is a somewhat unpredictable character as the president of the united states right now. >> let's talk a little bit at least about one of the candidates thpresident trump is talking with today, robert caslen jr. most outlets knew about the other three, kellogg, bolton and mcmaster but now this robert caslen, what do you know about him? >> to be quite honest, this is the first i heard of caslen to be on the list so i can't say i know much about him as an individual. bolton and rest of them i'm more familiar with. the critical thing right now i think is almost more important than who, and i'm not saying that's not important, but you've got to get somebody in there to get a staff going, to get it moving or the interpretation by our allies is we're not taking any of this seriously and don't have a real foreign policy.