march in it was nay dark place, he turned it around, did the delegate map, stayed in that position until august, got promoted to campaign chairman. how could anyone say that it was a limited role for a very limited role for a very limited amount of time? i mean, it's ridiculous. >> well, i'll let sean go ahead and offer his description. obviously i worked with paul manafort on the campaign and then he exited the campaign in august or so. but, i mean, going to this whole issue of the russian collusion, that are was one of the things that came out today was the fact that they don't have anything. there's absolutely nothing to this. and so this is, i mean, i would call it a political snipe hunt where apparently the fbi are the only ones who don't realize there's no such things as snipes. >> what did you take away? that there's nothing in terms of evidence. >> because a the lov this comey had to say there's no comment or i can't answer. >> so quite to the contrary, we can't conclude that there's nothing here with comey saying i can't talk about collusion with the russians, i can't say