>> he's fed up, jason. what do you say to him? and he is the staunchest supporter of the president and a republican supporter. what do you say to someone like john fredericks? >> well, what i'd say is, look, i think the single biggest losers unfortunately today are the american who's are going to see their premiums go skyrocketing again next year as well as the americans who are going to have their coverage plans go away. we have enough states as it is where you only have one plan. >> jason, not to be rude, but that's a talking point. >> no, that's a real thing. but here's the -- but politically speaking -- >> it's very clear that the people do not agree with what you're saying because there would have been a higher -- there would have been more people who wanted to repeal and replace obamacare. this new bill, they didn't like it. >> exactly. well, exactly. this was absolute malpractice that speaker ryan and the republican leadership -- this was absolutely malpractice that we didn't have a bill ready to