between the trump family and russia? when you're running a government or you plan on running a government, it is not the same thing. >> no, it's not. and the careful thing to watch for, don, is that trump keeps saying i have nothing to do with russia. he doesn't say russians. putin operates through the oligarchs who are a network of government-sponsored international criminals who are out to loot and disrupt the west. they have done it through a bank deal. they have done these massive money laundering schemes through new york and cypress and deutsche bank. the question i would add is what other bankers were you meeting with. did other bankers come to you? why were you conducting meetings with bankers during this period of time? and why did you want to meet at all with a bank that is under sanctions by the u.s. government? did that ever occur to you that