knows is just all sweetness and lights and puppies and unicorns and then that's just great. then it has good news, as jack kingston was arguing to you in the last hour. but it's just not. it's just not. it's like saying, a tumor is good news because you'll lose weight. yeah, maybe. if ain't good news. >> jeff toobin, if everything he says is, look, there's no there there, everything's fine, everything i did was aboveboard, why would prosecutors give him immunity for him in order to say that? if they don't feel there's a reason? >> well, it depends. i mean, you know, they want a complete picture of what happened here. and he is such an intricate -- integral player in so many parts of this story, i mean, he has had enormous numbers of contacts, it seems, with russian government officials, with people associated with the russian government. if you want to know what the trump campaign was doing with