unheard of is that, what "the new york times" is reporting, what maggie haferman and her team broke, that these two white house officials were the ones who called nunes down to the white house to show him this information? is that just unprecedented? >> not to raise something somewhat unpleasant, but i lived through the iran contra issue. we turned over thousands and thousands of documents and had many interviews and conversations, but again, all through a proper channel of document discovery. first of all, whatever you find in one document is perhaps interesting, but it only becomes relevant to an investigation when it's looked at in the context of many other conversations and issues -- a single piece of information is not terribly helpful, and delivering it in this manner gives it perhaps far more credence than it deserves. we just don't know. but my point is, it is unprecedented to be delivering information this way to a chairman of the intelligence committee.