if that is -- it was walked back later. that would be a major shift. >> i hope that's not where they're going. you start getting into the nomenclature of conventional weapons or modified -- >> 13,000 barrel bombs were used in 2016. >> don't get me wrong, we should not be supportive of any of that. they were using those barrel bombs on civilian targets. they didn't care about casualties. that's not a good path to walk down. i think they did a good thing. they went in. they were decisive about the use of chemical weapons in a way that brought support of the world and republicans and democrats came together and said, good on you. this gives them a window, i think, to get that strategy together. i don't think they're there yet. i don't think they thought this through. but i will say -- old saying in the army. when the map doesn't match the terrain, it's best to go with the terrain. whatever plan he had going into syria changed. it fundamentally changed. so they have a window to get it right. but they're going to have to use all of their resources and all of their allies to put a plan