but i can tell you it's come close. that is from people that disregard signs, that think it's cute to come and feed a 1200-pound bull seal. and it's not surprising to me. and so with the media coverage on this, i'm thinking what a better way to get it through people's heads, don't feed wildlife. it's just not a good idea. what surprised me when i watched the video as for many people that have watched it is the bull takes a snip at the little girl, and then they proceed to let her sit on the rail. so that is kind of not wise, in my opinion. >> do you think that the sea lion's behavior is a reflection of play or is it more aggressive? >> hunger. it's hunger. >> hunger. >> the aggressive -- i don't know. i'm not a sea lion expert, but in this case, that's what they're doing. they're coming and looking for