else is president, is that illegal? >> no. they thought jared kushner was a good person and has the best of intentions. i have no argument with that. i just thought that was bad idea, all right. what was he trying to accomplish by creating indebtedness to someone like the russians whom we knew at that time had intervened in our electoral process. i mean, the disregard for the routine practices, i don't want to say contempt, but it might have been for the administration that they were replacing. how about the suspicion of the intelligence community on which they were going to have to rely. all of that have seemed to go into this decision to count on the russians for this secret backchannel and backchannels are fine. i've been a backchannel, all right, but you don't do it when you're not the government, and i don't think you do it when you use your adversary's