but he wasn't wrong at the end of the day. >> exactly. >> i just think it's -- i don't know where this ends um going. >> polls did indicate that but the polls were wrong. >> the polls were wrong. >> there's a difference between michael flynn and michael cohen. michael flynn was involved seriously in the campaign, was the national security adviser, designator, actual -- michael cohen has been nothing throughout other than a television spokesman on occasion. but the president's lawyer in his business. >> that's not true. he did some stuff on the campaign. >> but what i'm saying is the extent of his involvement here, he's not going to go out there and say i didn't do anything if in fact he did something. that's i guess -- if he had something to report. >> matthew, how do you see this? >> i mean, i think we're in that he situation where there's this whole constellation of people. and cohen may be right, this may be a bit of a fishing expedition.