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because of the pressure we're.ing on them in the middle east so, they're come on this side of the ocean. therefore the security has to be multilayered. which means every measure would have to fail for a terrorist to reach his target. that's what i believe we need to see, we're going to keep having the same conversation. >> what you mean by that is the soft targets need to be protected about thor with physical barriers, things like that? because you have obviously more than one big landmark location in london. this would require sort of blast walls and all sorts of concrete barriers all across the city. >> i don't think it has to. we're not talking about terrorists -- there's the idea of good security and then there's just good security. we don't need blast walls. think what we're talking about here is if i was a terrorist and i wanted to go injury a crowd of people and i didn't have any affiliation to a sophisticated organization where i could learn how to make a suicide vest and blow people up, where would i go?

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