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>> everything is done in the dark. >> no, this -- of course, you're not going to go and share with the other side here's what we're working on with the bill until we go and present it. >> these aren't -- >> now we have the bill, now everyone will go and debate it, but no one can argue and say obamacare is doing great right now, no one can say that it's okay that all these providers are pulling out of states and upwards of a third of all folks who are living -- a third of all counties in the country only have one provider. >> why can't you just work on what is wrong with obamacare, fix that and keep the parts that are good? >> well, because, i mean, fundamentally, the structure is broken. i mean, everything from the way that subsidies -- swapping out to tax credits i think will be better. i think the entire construct, i mean, you talk about the penalties that are basic -- keeping employers from -- >> you can fix that, can't you? it you work on the parts that are good, this is bad and let's jettison that? >> right now it's a jobs killer. look at the fact, 10 % 3% incre

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