complaining about not being able to speak publicly is part of, a, his grandstanding, but if you're a trump supporter, you do shake your head and say, wait a minute, i thought we'd have a chance to attack this process as being off base and going after the president incorrectly and give him his due. i think the work the committee does when it does it more quietly is more effective. it's like a kbrand jury. we're trying to understand based on who shows up what direction they're going. i think they're going in all kinds of directions to try to fully understand this. there's a lot of the public record that we do know. there's so much we don't know, at least how all these things fit. i think whether it's a podesta or a roger stone, we're still operating much more on the margins of what that the activities were. >> you heard podesta's statement talking about baem's response to the interference. did it sound strong enough to you? it sounded a little weak to be