because this is very difficult to defend. so it says a lot that this person who really has no connection to this is coming out and saying things and not really making any substantiative argument. even the things he was saying was the equivalent of me trying to convince you that this dress is yellow. i mean, it was -- he just kept saying that things -- that objectively happened and didn't happen, and wasn't willing to engage on the substance. and i think he is trying to ingratiate himself to the president, because there's no other explanation for why anybody would do this. >> first of all, i love you in yellow. look, it was transparent in the actual e-mail chain is transparent about what's going on here, almost shockingly so to the point like, why would you write that down. now, it may not mean that people have been alleging is possible, that the trump campaign openly colluded with the russian government in this giant global conspiracy to sway an american election, but this is the president's son in his own words saying to an allied lawyer of