matters, and robert mueller will be dealing with that. but also the standard as with the clinton campaign and the e-mail stuff, the standard should not be if it's illegal, then it's totally okay. and too many people are running to that conclusion. >> and also what we've talked about before, even if she wasn't connected to the russian government, which it seems pretty clear she is, he thought she was. >> right, that's what matters. not -- >> right. >> whether or not she actually had information, which she keeps pointing out, oh, she the didn't have any, which we don't know if that's true or not, but he believed she was connected to the russian government or at least that's what was indicated in the e-mail, and that she had information coming from the russian government. >> well, that's the key point. is that the e-mail says, this is information from the russian government, as part of their campaign or as part of their effort to help donald trump, which, of course, raises additional questions. well, gee, what else, is this the first, is this the last? >> it did not sound like the first time. >> it did not sound like the first time. it's only under close questioning, presumably under oath, that we'll get to the bottom of this. hopefully in open session so the american people can find this out, but certainly mueller and