also mary kcatherine and jackie. so, jackie, the president says this meeting between his son and a russian lawyer, along with jared kushner, paul manafort, was all very standard. i want to get your take. >> well, if it was very standard, why didn't they just come out and say that with the first explanation that donald trump jr. gave. they didn't. they said a couple different things, and then finally, he released his e-mails once "the new york times" was going to publish their story. so that's problematic. not only that, this isn't happening in a vacuum. this is the latest, the closest trump adviser to, it turns out, have contact with the russians during the campaign when they said that -- when trump himself said that didn't happen. so, because of that, it just continues to erode the credibility of the white house and the president when it comes to this issue, and him dismissing this as something