what they got wrong. the problem with that is that you start to be over confident and you feel that your expertise can be transferred to any arena. the president himself is struggling to become the president and function well. i think donald trump jr. has said himself, he wasn't a political creature. he was new to all of this. and yet he blundered into a trap that even someone with the barest common sense about politics would have avoided. >> now, ivanka and jared, they're once again not around during this fire storm. they're in idaho for a media and a tech conference. just coincidence? >> not at all. i think that's a very apt observation. jared and ivanka are far more sophisticated players in every sense of the word. i think that jared absented himself from that meeting at