military environment where they're under the utmost pressure to kill or be killed. and that is why the president is doing this out of the warmth of his consideration for this population. >> general mark hertling, you have talked, i'm sure, in the last couple of days with your colleagues in the military. what are you hearing in that regard? >> as you know, john kelly and i both wrote an op-ed on this piece, claiming how the ban was identified by the president. why it was done. and why it was not a very smart move. we have transgenders searching. they're serving bell. i had them serving with me when i was still commanding. there's no problem with unit cohesion. there's very little problem in terms of funding for medical care for them. and mr. gorka is extremely ill-informed on this issue. he was mixing metaphors.