the question back then was, maybe the american people may be able to do that but how do other leaders, how does the world view him? how will they take it literally or seriously? is this the ultimate test to see how the world interprets this president? >> it's the most moment to us test world leaders in every country have been faced with. in canada, leaders faced it on the issue of trade, nafta, in the middle east, leaders of qatar and so forth have faced it. on the conflict there. and now we have the regime. pyongyang trying to interpret the inscrutable behavior, words and intensions of a president who is mercurial, erratic and whose real aims are often not known even to the people within his administration. and so it's -- this is a real high wire act that trump is attempting to pull off here. >> so is this -- what is this? is this a literal or serious