effort to set this in a much more stable mode. >> when you say what kim jong un wants, what is that? >> the guy is, what, in his 30s? conceivably he could be running this place for the next 50 years. maybe he wants a modified china model. maybe he wants to seek the economic development of north korea. maybe he wants the end to prospects of regime change and the environment -- look, i'm not painting -- i'm not working for this guy. this is a despottic regime. look what they did to that poor kid, otto warmbier. that's not the point. the point is can we find a way to deescalate and test the proposition that in effect, some modus of avendi can be found. >> aaron david miller, thank you very much. >> thank you, alisyn. leakers are a threat to the