of the paris climate accord. before that, it was president trump's attempt to rban refugee and immigrants. with me now, richard quest, and scott jennings. so, good to see both of you. and just for people also just understanding this manufacturing council where you have now four like that gone. you say this is an incredibly big deal because why? >> it's a big deal because these are companies that have vested -- big, strong vested interests in manufacturing, and they were being given a seat at the table in washington right at the heart of the white house. now, we can debate whether or not this council was ever going to do any good or was it just a talking shop, or window dressing, a pr exercise, but to actually then say, no, i'm not going to stay, i'm going to leave is setting out -- >> what's the message that sends >> the message is, shareholders, investors, employees, family,