disorganized, most unprofessional, had no earthly idea what they were doing and then you saw them all crying and weeping that night on the 8th when -- and the reason it worked, the reason it worked is president trump. i mean, trump had those ideas, had that energy, had that vision that could galvanize a team around him of disparate -- look, we're a coalition. you know, a lot of people think, you know, have strong beliefs about different things but we understand that you can come together to win and we understood that from august 15th and we never had a doubt, and donald trump never had a doubt that he was going to win. >> joining me now, one of those few reporters who interviewed steve bannon on the record, a reporter for the investigative fund at the nation institute. she interviewed and wrote an article about bannon for "mother jones." so sara, welcome to you. and your thoughts on the firing news. >> well, i don't think that