computers today. >> microsoft was making a lot of money then. they were charging $200, $300, $400 for say a word processing package that was costing them about 50 cents to print on floppies. >> hard working, modest, easy going, it would seem to a fault. of course, he does have at least one secret. but we'll fix that. is it true that you can leap over a chair from a standing position? >> it depends on the size of the chair but this chair, probably so. >> yes! >> i took a step before i did it. >> that's okay. >> bill gates wasn't just one thing. he was a brilliant guy. had great parents. family values. but he was a killer. he basically was a ruthless guy, and so was microsoft. >> no, no, no, somebody's confused not thinking. > there's no way. you guys never understood, you never understood the first thing about this.