information that he's learned. he had a security clearance. >> yeah. and i think that he -- donald trump pays a lot more attention to the news than he pays attention to people right in front of him. you have a lot more influence over him if you can get people ginned up in the outside world versus sitting there trying to talk to him. >> it seems like he's trying to keep trump on the populist side and save that donald trump, which his base loved. at the same time, we're hearing quotes from people at breitbart about impeachment if the president does not adhere to that. >> i visited bannon twice in the white house, once in march and once in july. what i can say is he viewed himself as surrounded by enemies. surrounded by people -- >> enemies in the white house if >> he had his concentric white house. people in the white house like