kill them. >> you're saying all the military commanders up until now have not been up to the stuff that general mattis is? >> obama didn't have the will to do. >> obama put ten times as many troops on the ground. 30,000. >> the point is to win, you have to win now, not put troops there and talk about it, go and win. >> there's no military outcome. that's what tillerson was saying, that's going to win. >> there's a military outcome when everybody there is taken to their knees then they say -- >> wait a minute, we had more than 100,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan -- >> if you don't have the will to fight, you can have a million troops. >> you're saying the 100,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan did not have the will or ability -- >> no, the president of the united states. >> -- that 8,000 u.s. troops are going to have? >> the president of the united states didn't have the will to do what it took to handle the thing the way they needed to. that's what trump is saying. >> i think trump was better on this topic probably during the campaign. where he had a more realistic -- whether he stumbled upon it by accident or it was actually his