>> look, i don't think it causes any friction. >> it doesn't? >> neither one of them take too seriously what the reports of those kinds of incidents are. i think secretary tillerson did a good job of saying that it's an ir relevancy -- >> there seems to be a disconnect because on background a lot of people at the white house are saying this is a president who is mad, frustrated, isolated, tweeting about senate leaders, getting in fights, you know, with the leaders of the nate and you're saying he's fine. >> absolutely. and look, he's not -- >> how do you reconcile -- >> here's how you reconcile it. he's not isolated. it's a president who has managed his whole life, the 40 years that i've known him, he's been successful at everything but manages by conflict. so he brings in various points of view, listens to them all and