here and that the version -- the 3.0 version of this executive order is probably going to hold up. so we'll see. it will be back to the courts and, again, everybody will sort of play their existing roles on either criticizing it or defending it. >> and, jen, the justice department just said they're going to appeal the decision so this, of course, is going to make its way all the way to the supreme court, ultimately. >> right, that's right. this will be a very long process as we've seen play out on many policies in the past. what was striking about what was said about the finding or the ruling is that is suffered the same fate as before, yes, there have been changes to it, but there was still discrimination against muslims and that ultimately goes back to what the problems with the first version were and what president trump has said from the beginning that a lot of these judges keep going back to. >> i want to get your response, kevin. john mccain gave a speech last night, given an award in philadelphia. he made an oblique criticism of trumpism. he talked about half baked