have been meant one thing and spoken those words that to a grieving widow felt offensive, may not have been met that way. i think -- what do you make? >> the whole thing i defer to the veterans. i think there's a part of this that is a sacred moment. i don't think any president if you asked any of them would say, it's particularly easy. if you talk to the wrong wife doesn't matter what you say because they may not be willing to talk to anybody, or feeling wonderful about it. its become such a mess now for everybody. we watched today, the press coverage, and i kind of hoped -- well they said nasa would go down. i hoped it would spin us off to that. the president didn't tweet this afternoon. i agree it was a kind of a mess. i was hoping kelly also being -- kelly said he was on the call and he thought the president did a the right kind of call.