his own boss, the guy whose office a few steps away from the briefing room, has stepped over all those lines general kelly himself was saying we used to have in society and they've been blurred. was he denying those? or was he also sending a message to the boss? >> well, it's two parts, right? because one sense he's sending a message to the boss. but the other -- i don't know how you all heard it but this is like the make america great again idealism, yes, women are sacred but women didn't have it that great in the '50s. there are other sides of that, religion, sure, not all religions. there's two sides of every coin. this is like the gilded side he's putting out there and that's the way trump has presented too. so it could be sending a message to the boss or could be echoing this general presentation of the way things were and don't pay attention to the way things are what we're seeing now. >> i also think that this is a perfect example of how america