>> carl talks about the number of e-mails. that gets to a point that i think is important, ryan. we only publically, for all the reporting that's been done, got peaks at the tip of the iceberg as far as what other potential information is out there. we don't know about -- what we know about the donald trump jr. meeting in that -- in trump tower with the russians comes from the one e-mail or so, the little e-mail chain that we've seen. there are probably other e-mails related to that meeting that we have no idea about. >> we have so little visibility into this investigation. mueller is operating with a massive staff, spending resources that -- millions of dollars with people flying all over the world. the ability that we in the press do not have to subpoena documents obviously to bring in people and get them to testify under oath. we are seeing just a tiny, tiny sliver of what this investigation is all about. that doesn't mean that, you know -- we're in a very tough position tonight because we don't know who's indicted and we don't know what it's for. and it'll be very interesting to see what both donald trump tweets about this and what, in