if i were betting, given the speed at which this occurred over a five-month period and the nature of materials we know were taken from the manafort home, and businesses during the search warrants and stuff, i would guess financial crime related to tax, ukraine, and perhaps business dealings in the united states through shell companies, real estate purchases. i wouldn't think this would at this point go so close to the heart of what we're calling the collusion investigation, the conspiracy to cooperate with russia in respect of the election. i don't think we're there yet. >> david, there was a lot of talk about the president pardoning people ahead of any indictment. could he still do that? >> yeah, he can do that. i mean, the president has broad pardon powers, at least when it comes to federal crimes. but, you know, that would probably present at least somewhat of a political problem for him if he started pardoning people in advance of them either