that's opposition research. everybody does that. but collusion or conspiracy requires the violation of a federal law in connection with that information. now, if these were hacked e-mails and papadopolous was aware that they were hacked, that's -- it might be a violation of federal law for him to use that stolen property in the campaign. now we've made out a criminal act. so that's why this is so important. it's the first little bit of build on the actual crime that could be charged ultimately. >> and the fact pattern doesn't look that dissimilar to what happened to donald trump, jr. holds a meeting on it, accepts the meeting on it and look at cambridge analytica reaching out to wikileaks to help coordinate maybe the e-mail release that they had or ask questions about the e-mails. there seems to be a lot of back and forth here about e-mails and information. >> of course. we heard at the beginning when the don jr. meeting first came