seat or not, and it can also decide whom to expel or not. and i would say that when senator mcconnell made the determination that bob packwood needed to be expelled from the senate, initially, that was met with a lot of skepticism and a certain amount of resistance from his own caucus. there were concerns about losing the seat. but one thing you have to give senator mcconnell credit for is, he takes these issues very seriously. he's methodical about it and he usually wins. >> well, let's see. his record might be tested on that one this time. steven, thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> also joining me now, ned ryan is the ceo of the conservative grassroots group, american majority. hilary rosen is here, cnn political commentator and democratic strategist. and david mallory, he's an alabama political consultant who's worked for both republicans and democrats. let's start with taxes, though, because that is also important. we're just going to go baffert. ju back and forth, to keep you guys on your toes. ned, try this one on for size for me. here's a couple of ideas, with