his -- what's real and what's not, you know, that has -- that has sere implications for the safety and and security of the country. >> i think it's possible he's not sure what's real and what's not? >> well, i think -- >> i -- >> go ahead, david, i think we agree on this point. >> go ahead, david, i agreed with what you were saying earlier. >> david gergen, you think he may -- you're answering the affirmative on that? >> i'm answering the affirmative. i think we may persuade himself of things, as david axelrod said, that aren't true. but he persuades himself and states it categorically in various ways, that it does come across as being authentic, even though it's sort of like an alternative set of facts that other people don't share. >> but we should, anderson -- he's also blazed a trail for others. we see roy moore down in alabama, even as late as