the lead of that transition team, but jared kushner apparently and katie mcfarland who were directing flynn and the people -- his point of contact regarding these calls? >> unfortunately, i'm not surprised by much anymore, but what is very clear is this transition team was running a rogue foreign policy. let's look at what transition teams are supposed to do. they're supposed to ensure that there is a policy transition between the administration and the incoming administration. it's not unusual for there to be policy differences. but in this case senior transition team officials were working directly with a foreign government, russia, on u.s. policy priorities and not coordinating with the white house. a transition team has a direct line of communication with the white house. vice president pence, general flynn, katie mcfarland, cared