but why would you have the president of the united states getting involved in this, in the first place? >> because he already was involved in it. >> well, that's the point. >> and trump junior has firmly denied that he had communicated with his father about the june 2016 trump tower meeting which is what we were saying, do you find that believable? >> taking it face value, i don't find it believable, given the timeline that michael is discussing. it also seems like that's a question that we need to know the answer to. when did he tell his father and what did he tell his father. and not just after the meeting, but before. this is really critical in terms of potential criminal charges that arise out of that meeting. >> and what about the fact that sources jennifer have said that they said that he has not recalled some key details about the white house response. he has not recalled?