be a suggestion they were trying to have the true audience be mueller and his team. one would hope mueller and his team are probably much more well versed in this than certainly the nonmedia savvy trump campaign team was, but mueller already knows this. >> jason, this gets to an essential legal question here. and i should note it's not just michael wolff's book of this air force one meeting crafting a false statement of what that trump tower meeting was about saying it was about russian adoptions when we know it was about dirt on hillary clinton. from a legal standpoint, if a president crafts a false statement about this with his staff members present and then taking part, from a legal standpoint does that constitute instructing subordinates to lie? >> what it constitutes is instructing subordinates to try to not provide fourthcoming