of the white house records related to this. and if those records end up backing up director comey's testimony, that tells you here who's most likely to be telling the truth. >> okay. then, michael, this issue of jeff sessions. we know, you know, he had recused himself from any russia-related probe under the umbrella of the justice department, and now reportedly one of his aides asked a congressional staffer for any kind of dirt on james comey. would it make the difference of whether that was before or after recu recusal, or just the fact that reportedly may have happened? how bad is that? >> i think it's bad. i felt like the attorney general did the right thing when he recused himself from the investigation. the problem is, he's somewhat continued to meddle in it and some of the statements he's given to congress have not exactly been the most forthcoming. here we have an aide acting on his behalf, we assume, trying to