of it to see if they can drive a wedge between them. the only credit he gets is moving the south more stringently to find a way to top it. >> i guess just manager your expectations for what could come out of this. >> i think everybody on their side is doing the same thing. this is possibly sending the delegation and the mechanics of that. it's possible they said they wouldn't mind raising the issue of family reunionification. they are getting old and want to see their loved ones again. that's valuable to do and we ahead at to keep our expectations low. i don't think you can look for any serious discussions about the nuclear future of the peninsula there. >> even these sort of issues that may be adjacent to that or happening at the same time, there can be pay off, right? they are talking about things and agreeing on things?