he divided the country by party and by socioeconomics, but now it does seem that the democrats may hand the president a win as a uniter and give him the wall in order to get daca. do you see that happening? >> i don't -- i don't follow the chess moves the way that you do. >> bipartisan agreement just like he did with the interdict. he'll have democrats there shaking hands. we got daca done, but he's going to get his wall. >> listen, i think he's on the way to some miniaturized version of a wall that he can hold up and say, you know, he got that. >> nothing trump does is miniature. not when he explains it. and he is good at winning the messaging battle. >> listen, if he gets two bricks and a toothpick, he's going to say it's the biggest wall ever. >> that's on you if you give it to him, though. if the democrats give it to him, then you're giving him that win. >> i mean i think everybody else got a chance to talk. i want to lay this out from a progressive perspective.