reported were true. >> republican kevin matt at the white house, the president seems to be saying if this thing goes down, the democrats are the ones trying to spike the deal on dreamers now. lindsey graham says to believe you can successfully blame democrats for a shutdown over the daca deal is naive. republicans control the white house, the senate, the house. can they avoid the blame here on a shutdown? >> i think there is risk for both sides. but i think one of the big problems for republicans here, i think, is first of all, to caitlin's point, not a whole lot of clarity in our positions. there is too much space where some folks on the hill are with the white house. the other part is, when you are the party that is habitually promoting limited government, you always tend to take the hit when the government shuts down. particularly as you point out, john, when you're the party that is in charge. if you look back to the last shutdown we had, i think in 2014, we saw a double digit drop