republicans, a handful of them on capitol hill and allies of this president, to try to discredit this investigation because regardless of whether or not he sits down with the special counsel, they want to at least color the public's perception of this inquiry so that in the court of public opinion, they can try to absolve this president of any wrongdoing, but i certainly think they're still discussing the parameters of the interview, and they recognize this president is unpredictable, and frankly, inconsistent when it comes to his version of events with this entire investigation. so i think that they don't want him to be sitting down for hours with the special counsel and his team if they can avoid that. >> cnn's new reporting is about how frustrated donald trump is with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. and that he apparently is now in the crosshairs. what have you learned about their relationship? >> well, they have always had a more of a distant relationship because rod rosenstein is a career prosecutor he's not someone who is very political. he was not unlike attorney