>> or there are abuses. let's just stipulate that. that doesn't erase the fact that the president, himself, is te telling friends that this is going to help me and that that's his reason for doing it because it's going to hamstring or de-lid de-legitimatize or destabilize the mueller investigation and he has a way to go after mueller without going after mueller directly because he's going after the investigators who work for mueller, the investigation and doesn't have to stick his finger in the eye of bob mueller, personally. from the president's point of view, it's more personal than it is about anything else. >> i was interested in what congressman nadler said in the memo he read, it might be to make the case that rosenstein should be removed because one way to limit this investigation would be to remove him and put someone else in charge of that investigation. >> for those who don't know, he's the number-two man at the