let's bring back anna palmer. he was all over the map with the dreamers. it was quite interesting to hear him say, that's an obama term. so he also not going to use that obama term for dreamers. that's his first objection. and he seemed to be less sympathetic than he has been in the past. >> dreamers is something you can feel, personalize. this is a president all about branding. daca people. there is distance there. it allows him not to be sympathetic in terms of what they are going to get done by march or later this year. >> it is too humanizing to describe these people brought here as kids through no fault of their own. john avlon, you and i have had this discussion before how political terms shape debates. he is reading his stage directions out loud. he is admitting in west virginia