>> okay. that's those two guys. let's talk about the president. because the latest, you know, sort of strand on the story of will he, won't he talk to, you know, bob mueller, mueller's team, special counsel when they ask -- they haven't yet. his lawyer are trying to avoid that potentially. to me what's being overlooked here is the rationale to why trump wants to talk to him from our reporting page. it's because the president thinks he is a master at these sorts of things because of his experience with lawsuits and the fact that he has been in so many depositions. >> brooke, i have represented many people, high-level executives, political figures, never the president. but many people who were targets of a criminal investigation or subject of a criminal investigation. and they think if they just had the chance, they could go in there and explain it all to the investigators. they could talk themselves out of being charged. that makes absolutely no sense.