rob porter's ex-wife and the bruises. and it's interest, and it's a very complicated dynamic, not just for hope hicks, the communications director, who, as jeff was reporting, helped sort of lead the defense of rob porter, helped draft statements of support, but also people like ivanka trump and others, who in the white house have come to really know and rely on rob porter. but there's also kind of a se e sense, i'm told, of protectiveness of hope, despite the fact that she's -- again, it's very complicated, you know, concern because she's become almost a member of the trump family, that if this guy, if it is true, he did it to his two ex-wives and allegedly a girlfriend, as well, would hope be next? >> general kelly has called him a man of, quote, true integrity and honor, and there's a reporting from the white house that they've been scrambling to defend rob porter. >> that's exactly right.