it is not just a problem of optics of how things are run and what is true and the fact is they put out a statement saying from john kelly, this is a great guy. i just can't say enough nice things about him and then he has to put out a statement late last night and say domestic violence accusations are serious and shocking. so they are acting like they don't know what they are doing. and that is the problem. and so there is a lot of to get to as to what happened here. and i think we're just at the beginning of it. >> and david, i will just add to what you were saying about hope. i asked somebody last night who was in the white house for a long time and is no longer there, is there any chance -- is there any scenario in which hope would have recused herself from the situation and the answer was laster. no. hope tells people what to do. hope is the one who decides -- what happens in the white house with these things. she doesn't get told what to do because she is a powerful force. as close as they come to the